Are Full Attacks and five foot steps a GOOD thing?

TheFlatline · Post by **TheFlatline** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:45 pm

I kind of dug Warhammer 3rd's init system:

Everyone rolls for init, and NPCs are broken down into "groups". Init counts can be used by any member of that group.

So two PCs and 2 bugbears have an init count of:

Bugbears:12
PCs: 11
Bugbears: 8
PCs: 6

At that point, the bugbears act in whatever order, but the PCs get to decide who goes on 11 and who goes on 6. That way you don't *always* get someone stuck as tail end charlie even if they could severely benefit from going before the second bugbear.

OgreBattle · Post by **OgreBattle** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:41 am

If Full Attacks were removed and simply a part of standard action attacks, would that greatly imbalance D&D3.X?

Seerow · Post by **Seerow** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:49 am

OgreBattle wrote:If Full Attacks were removed and simply a part of standard action attacks, would that greatly imbalance D&D3.X?

Probably not a whole lot, assuming you play at the power levels assumed around here, where if you don't drop at least one enemy a round you're worse than useless.

angelfromanotherpin · Post by **angelfromanotherpin** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:21 am

What's wrong with a Seeker of the Lost Martial Traditions prestige class?

ModelCitizen · Post by **ModelCitizen** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:06 am

OgreBattle wrote:If Full Attacks were removed and simply a part of standard action attacks, would that greatly imbalance D&D3.X?

I use that rule. From reading other boards it seems like a common house rule. I've never heard any complaints.

You could probably get an argument going over whether it should apply to charge or natural attack routines though.

hogarth · Post by **hogarth** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:48 am

OgreBattle wrote:If Full Attacks were removed and simply a part of standard action attacks, would that greatly imbalance D&D3.X?

Whether it imbalances D&D is one issue. But does it make D&D more interesting?

Josh_Kablack · Post by **Josh_Kablack** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:00 pm

ModelCitizen wrote:
OgreBattle wrote:If Full Attacks were removed and simply a part of standard action attacks, would that greatly imbalance D&D3.X?
I use that rule.

Do you use minis and a battlemat ?

ModelCitizen · Post by **ModelCitizen** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:23 pm

Josh_Kablack wrote: Do you use minis and a battlemat ?

I use a battlemat about half the time. If the fight is simple enough that we can keep track of stuff in our heads, I don't. Why?

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:19 pm

angelfromanotherpin wrote:What's wrong with a Seeker of the Lost Martial Traditions prestige class?

You mean like with vorpal grapples and everything?

-Username17

Josh_Kablack · Post by **Josh_Kablack** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:18 pm

ModelCitizen wrote:
Josh_Kablack wrote: Do you use minis and a battlemat ?
I use a battlemat about half the time. If the fight is simple enough that we can keep track of stuff in our heads, I don't. Why?

I ask because 3e D&D is a fundamentally different game with or without minis and a tactical grid, and knowing which one is relevant to evaluating how your play experience in using full attacks as standard attacks might work out for other people.

angelfromanotherpin · Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:21 pm

I'm not familiar with vorpal grapples, but sure. Hell, it doesn't have to be all about raiding 1st edition, there could be abilities repealing a lot of the crappy 3.5 bullshit so keen/improved crit/vorpal go back to stacking, and overrun/ride-by attack can work again.

ModelCitizen · Post by **ModelCitizen** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:47 pm

Josh_Kablack wrote: I ask because 3e D&D is a fundamentally different game with or without minis and a tactical grid, and knowing which one is relevant to evaluating how your play experience in using full attacks as standard attacks might work out for other people.

Gotcha. I use the full movement rules. AoOs for moving, 5' steps, reach, flanking, the whole bit. For what you're talking about assume I use a grid all the time (even though the grid is frequently in my head and slightly error-prone).

Judging__Eagle · Post by **Judging__Eagle** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:43 am

OgreBattle wrote:Despite it being acknowledged as a problem, I thought it was odd that the Tome series didn't change the base mechanics of Full Attack

Sounds like someone never actually read the content they're talking about. You probably need a refresher course on Races of War.

Chamomile · Post by **Chamomile** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:10 am

Just as likely he doesn't consider changing the bonuses to be changing the base mechanic.